I've been too busy to blog in a long while, but I decided to make a few hours to blog again and review Solport's email. I found an interesting email from Christopher S. from the summer. It was in response to my understanding of
. Incidentally, I am amazed that my
is still receiving traffic. (Note to self - update these someday). Christopher's email and my responses follow.
I think your scriptural interpretations have just as much validity as anyone’s, after all, we all have a right to our opinion. Problem: As one of the few people in this country who has actually taken the time and put forth the effort to read the Bible from beginning to end, (a two and a half year process of study and research),...
Congratulations on reading the Bible completely through. I hope you are wrong about being one of the few people in this country who have done so. Many of the Christians I know have done so, but that is hardly an empirical sample. According to Barna,
72% of Americans who have not yet read the entire Bible want to do so in their lifetime, but I could not find a reference that stated what percent of Americans had already done so. I found
some interesting statistics, but nothing reliable about what percentage of people have read the entire Bible. I suspect Barna has this information, but it was not readily available from their website.
Reading the Bible through is a great accomplishment, but please do not stop there. I have read the Bible through many times, in multiple translations, and every time I do so I realize how much more there is to learn. I don't think this makes me an expert, but these readings have helped form my understanding of the Bible.
...I have come to understand “literal” as opposed to “general” interpretive mandate. For example: The book of Leviticus states in chapter 20 that children who curse their parents should be put to death. Deuteronomy reinforces this in chapter 22 by telling us that a daughter who loses her virginity while still in her father’s home, (I.E. - unmarried and possibly a minor child), should be stoned to death by the neighborhood men. If anyone were to be misguided enough to take these proclamations literally I think we can agree that they would spend the rest of their lives in jail and I don’t think that God would approve either. That being the case, how is it that you’ve come to the conclusion that the scriptures you have cited are to be taken literally? If in fact that be the case then killing the son or daughter who curses at you or who has premarital sex should be no problem at all in accordance with your literal-based philosophy of interpretation. Do you really believe that?
Fair question. Many people wonder why Christians follow some of the laws in the Bible and not others. I will discuss my understanding of this, but let me first specifically answer your question. Yes, I believe that God intended that Israelites should literally follow the laws He gave them. Children who cursed their parents and/or risked bringing children into society outside of the protection of marriage were indeed stoned by the ancient Jews. I would not call this misguided, the Jews were under the Law and were obeying God. They would have been disobedient if they had not. If the first Jew, Abraham, was willing to sacrifice his good son Isaac in obedience to God, how much more willing do you think Abraham's descendants were to sacrifice their trouble-makers in obedience to God?
Now Christians are not under the Law, but under Grace. The early church instructed Gentile believers, those who accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior, to avoid idols, fornication, that which is strangled, and from drinking blood (Acts 15:19-20). Those commands, along with following the words of Jesus were the foundation of the Church. A few additional commands were relayed to us via the rest of the New Testament. This is why Christians do not stone our troublemakers, we are not under the Law.
No, these are all good rules to live by but they were never intended to be taken literally in lieu of further thought, prayer and reflection. Consider the following: Thou shalt not kill. That all depends on the circumstances now doesn’t it? Indeed, there are many exceptions to that rule; like defense of self, family and country for example. Is killing a good thing? Is abortion a good thing? Of course not. Should children curse their parents? Should teenagers engage in sexual conduct outside of marriage? Of course not, but do we kill them or propose to spiritually condemn them regardless of intent and/or circumstance? Of course not, and neither does God, for that would be unjust.
As Christians, not under the Law, I agree with you that we are not to implement the punishments God specifically provided to the ancient Israelites regarding their citizens. Instead, we are to study the Bible, to learn how God feels about certain issues (such as respecting parents, abortion, etc.) and act accordingly. For me, 1 Corinthians 10:23 is a nice summary of our freedom under Grace.
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. Within reason, this justifies your recommendation of doing things after
thought, prayer, and reflection.
By the way, one of the advantages of reading multiple versions of the Bible is you get exposed to several translations of key concepts. When I was growing up, I had the same thought you expressed, that there were certainly many exceptions to thou shalt not kill. Then I read other translations, of which most state thou shalt not murder. This lead me to some readings about the original Hebrew word used in the commandment, which should be properly translated as murder or illegal killing. This makes God’s intent much clearer. In the context of abortion, from the verses quoted in my original discussion, it is clear that God views abortion as murder. American law mostly does not (we are not consistent, many states prosecute people who kill unborn babies without the consent of the mother, but if a doctor does it with the consent of the mother during certain time periods it is legal).
For example: What if the mother’s life is on the line? This is a relatively rare circumstance but one that has been authenticated numerous times here in America over the course of the past few decades.
You state that this has been authenticated numerous times. Can you document any? I ask because this is one of the standard pro-abortion justifications. The media uses this straw horse a lot, but it seems to be a matter of faith with the pro-choice crowd, not a matter of fact. I have discussed this with several OB/GYNs and surgeons and not one could even imagine a scenario where performing an abortion would increase the odds of the mother surviving. They could imagine some situations where they had to decide which one to save first and then they might run out of time before they could save the other, but that is a completely different situation than deliberately killing an unborn child. As several of these doctors pointed out, if a very unusual scenario arose where the mother would be more likely to survive without hosting a child, they could deliver the child which would have a good chance of survival as a premature birth. This procedure would not place any more physical stress on the woman than an abortion and would be the ethical solution to this hypothetical and unlikely situation..
You are correct to indicate that the scriptures show great concern for both the mother and the fetus, but who are you or I to dare to pass judgment on those who would opt to save the mother’s life as opposed to that of the unborn child’s? Okay, so the child lives and the mother dies. Are we now to be condemned for the decision that resulted in her death? Couldn’t that also be considered murder?
I certainly would not rebuke anyone if the doctor tried to save both, gave priority to the mother, and the infant died. Nor would I rebuke anyone if the doctor gave priority to the baby and the mother died (assuming this was the mother’s priority as well). I think the only sin in this situation would be if the doctor deliberately killed one (murder). By the way, most secular doctors agree with this too. The Hippocratic Oath explicitly forbids abortions. Most abortionists in the United States are medical school dropouts or doctors who lacked the skills to be successful doctors. This is one of the reasons why the pro-choice community is so against conscience laws; they want to force doctors to perform abortions because so few skilled people are willing to do so.
And what of a 12 or 13 year-old rape victim? Are you attempting to claim that a resulting pregnancy in that instance is a gift from God thereby assigning to the Almighty the responsibility for such a heinous act of sinful violence? Blasphemy! “For with what judgment ye judge ye shall (also) be judged”-Mat. 1:2. Of course we can determine what is right or wrong to us in accordance with our scriptural interpretations, but to define abortion as murder regardless of intent and/or individual circumstance is a ridiculous over-simplification that will often times turn out to be false, in accordance with the very scriptural precedence that you yourself are espousing. Think about it. Go with God.
And now we come to the other favorite pro-choice argument: rape. If you had mentioned incest and genetic damage, you would have mentioned all of the very low-probability events that are used to justify killing almost one out of every three unborn children in America.
I do not know a single pro-lifer who ever assigns God the responsibility of rape or any other exercise of free will. God gave us all free will and we will all be judged on how we use it. If some deviant rapes and impregnates a young lady, why should the victim then make things worse by murdering the unborn child? Is not the unborn child also a victim of the rape? My understanding of the Bible leads me to the conclusion that abortion, the deliberate killing of an unborn child, is murder in the eyes of God and is always wrong.
Thank you for your email. If you have Biblical reasons to disagree with me, please respond. And as always, readers are encouraged to join the conversation if they wish.
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